In this recorded television interview, first broadcast on 26th June 1960, John Freemans questions concentrated on Waughs childhood, youth and difficult character. He did not attempt to encourage many literary revelations, though he does elicit the interesting information that Waugh himself thought that Helena was the best of his novels. Waugh told Ann Fleming in a letter, My interviewer showed no interest in the literary life, or my aesthetic preferences, or my opinions of other writers, the places where I had travelled, the technicalities of composition or style - nothing like that. From the point of view of Waughs books, much the most interesting section is the story of Waughs hallucinations which were later transmuted into The Ordeal of Gilbert Pinfold.
The BBC has now put about half the interview, in five excerpts, on its website, making my site redundant except for the Pinfold section, which the BBC has not included. I therefore retain that section here.
You may find the BBC excerpts at http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/voices/profilepages/waughe1.shtml
You may read a transcript of the complete interview here.
Pinfold
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JF |
Could I ask you some questions now about Pinfold. The question that everybody broadly wants to ask you is how far Pinfold is an account of your own brief illness. |
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EW |
Almost exact. In fact it had to be cut down a lot. It would be infinitely tedious to have recorded everything. Its the account of three weeks hallucinations going on absolutely continuously. |
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JF |
And you heard voices? |
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EW |
Oh, these voices. If I had written down everything the voices said it would be immensely boring. One had to be selective. |
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JF |
But did they say the same things to you that they said to Pinfold? |
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EW |
Oh yes, rather, again and again and again, day and night ... It was not in the least like losing ones reason, it was simply ones reason working hard but on the wrong premisses. |
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JF |
Yes. But I wonder why the voices said what they did. I mean, have you any notion why - |
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EW |
Well, Ive always wondered that. |
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JF |
-why you should conjure up this lovely girl who made appointments for you? |
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EW |
No, Ive always wondered that. |
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JF |
And you never kept the appointment? |
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EW |
Half did - |
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JF |
Yes. |
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EW |
- if you remember the story, went out to look for her and she wasnt there. |
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JF |
And then the other, the most odious voices, said that Pinfold was a homosexual, a Communist Jew, a parvenu, and so on - were these the kind of hallucinations that you yourself felt? |
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EW |
Oh yes, these are, those are the voices, exactly. |
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JF |
And in your own life, was it the neighbours who were making these remarks, because again, if you remember, in Pinfold his neighbours were involved in this persecution. |
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EW |
Ive no idea what my neighbours said about me. |
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JF |
But did you feel that your neighbours were involved - |
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EW |
No, no. The whole thing was so puzzling I had to, if you remember, invent the theory that the Broadcasting Society, your own people, were involved. |
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JF |
Well, I was going to ask you, have you in fact a particular deep feeling about the BBC? |
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EW |
No. |
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JF |
Because it comes again into a number of your books, which is why I ask, always in a slightly pejorative context. |
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EW |
Well, everyone thinks ill of the BBC, but I dont think Im more violent than anybody else. |